LAUSVIHA + DEMAGOOGIA = VEIKO RÄMMEL?

Posted: February 14, 2011 in KÕIK LOOD

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Oma lausvihas kõigi nende vastu, kelle jaoks omavahelistes suhetes on esikohal armastus, on Veiko Rämmel taas demagoogitsemas ning kuritahtlikult segi ajamas mõisteid, nagu “võib” ja “peab”.

See on tüüpiline rämmellik rämmeldamine. Lugedes Rämmeli tekste, kus ta refereerib kellegi kirjutisi, on täiesti reeglipärane, et kui on algselt kirjutatud “lubama”, loeb Rämmel sellest välja uudse mõtte – “kohustama”. Nüüd siis on Rämmel omavolitsi pannud oma sõnad ja mõtted UK Võrdsusministri Lynne Featherstone’i suhu.

Kui oma hämahoogudes nõuab Rämmel, et kõik teised pöörduksid algallikate ja algkeelsete tekstide poole, siis ise enda suhtes ta seda vajalikuks ei pea – muidu poleks ju tema hämamine enam nii hämar. Kui pimedaks aga võib minna veel see vaimupimedus? Selles on küsimus.

Rämmeli 14. veebruari 2011 avaldatud “tänane uudis” on omalaadne lühi-ümberjutustus Meie Kiriku eelmise päeva, 13. veebruari 2011, “uudisnupust”, mis omakorda on imeväike referaat The Telegraph’is 2. juulil 2010 ilmunud pikemasisulisest loost. 

Aga lugegem kõiki kolme artiklit – esmalt Veiko Rämmeli demagoogilist üllitist, siis Meie Kiriku refereeringut ning seejärel The Telegraph’i originaali:

KOGUJA KROONIKAD 

http://usk-lootus-armastus.blogspot.com/2011/02/veiko-rammel-liberalistid-ruvetavad.html

VEIKO RÄMMEL: LIBERALISTID RÜVETAVAD PÜHAPAIKU

Monday, February 14, 2011

Tänases Meie Kirikus oli lühiuudis. Suurbritannia võrdsuse minister Lynne Featherstone, kes ise liberaal, soovib muuta seadust, et lubada ehk kohustada homopartnerlust (loe:homoabielu) sõlmima ka pühapaikades sh siis kirikutes.

Kas on võimalik enam rumalamaks minna ja sügavamale pattu langeda? Lisaks sellele, et tegu ju ühiskonna alustalade lammutamisega. Mees-mehe ja naine-naine suhtest teatavasti järeltulijaid ei sünni, küll aga levib edukalt AIDS. Seega on täielik õigus väita, et homosuhe on üks tühi nühkat-nühkat. Mida peaks neil olema asja kirikutesse ja teistesse pühapaikadesse oma haigusega Jumala palge ette eputama. Teame ju kõik, et Piibel mõistab selle PATU üheselt hukka ja sama asja pärast hävitas Issand Soodoma linna.

Piiblis IMs on kirjas, et Jumal lõi inimese, ta lõi nad meheks ja naiseks ning saates maailma lausus: “Sigige ja saagu Teid palju!”

MEIE KIRIK

http://www.meiekirik.ee/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1694&Itemid=1

Minister tahab seadustada homopartnerluse sõlmimise pühapaikades

Autor: uudistetoimetus
pühapäev, 13 veebruar 2011

Suurbritannia võrdsuse minister liberaaldemokraat Lynne Featherstone teatab ilmselt juba lähiajal soovist muuta kehtivat seadust, mis keelab sõlmida samasooliste partnerlust pühapaikades ja kasutada talitusel usulist sümboolikat, teatab Telegraph.co.uk. Inglismaa Kirik on varem teatanud, et ei luba oma hoonetes läbi viia tsiviil­partnerluse sõlmimise tseremooniat. Kuigi tsiviilpartnerlus annab osapooltele pea samasugused õigused nagu abielu, leiavad mõned aktivistid, et praegune olukord on „seksuaalne apartheid“.

THE TELEGRAPH

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7869063/Minister-Lynne-Featherstone-indicates-gay-marriage-a-step-closer.html

Minister Lynne Featherstone indicates gay marriage a step closer
Homosexual couples could be allowed to “marry” in traditional religious ceremonies for the first time, a government minister has said.

By Martin Beckford, Religious Affairs Correspondent 10:00PM BST 02 Jul 2010

Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, said the Coalition was considering allowing same-sex couples to include key religious elements in civil partnership ceremonies.

In a parliamentary answer, she disclosed that homosexual couples could be permitted to use “religious readings, music and symbols”.

This would make civil partnerships practically indistinguishable from traditional weddings as Parliament recently removed the bar on same-sex unions in churches and other places of worship through an amendment to Labour’s Equality Act.

The proposals will delight equality campaigners who believe civil partnership is a “second-class” status, but they prompted fierce opposition from mainstream Christian leaders who believe marriage can only take place between a man and a woman.

Church of England sources warned that the Government could not make such dramatic changes merely by issuing regulations or guidance, as the current Civil Partnership Act prohibits the use of religious services during the registrations.

A spokesman made it clear that senior  figures in the established faith would resist any moves effectively to legalise homosexual marriage.

The Rt Rev Michael Langrish, the Bishop of Exeter, added in a personal statement: “As some of us warned at the time, the amendment to the Equality Bill has opened an area of unhelpful doubt and confusion. The Church of England will not be allowing use of any of its buildings for civil partnership registrations.”

Lord Tebbit, a former Tory party chairman who spoke out against same-sex unions in churches in the Lords, said: “I wouldn’t want anything done to add to the pretence that a civil partnership is a marriage. That’s the key thing, and anything which changes the law would have to come back to the Lords.”

In 2005, same-sex couples in Britain were allowed for the first time to take part in ceremonies that made them “civil partners”.

This gave them similar legal rights to married spouses, but the law required the events to take place in register offices or approved venues such as hotels and stately homes.

The ceremony has had to be secular, with no hymns or Bible readings, in order to preserve the definition of religious marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

When the Equality Bill was being debated earlier this year, an amendment was added by Lord Alli that permitted civil partnership ceremonies to take place in places of worship if the relevant religious group permitted it.

Quakers, Unitarians and the Liberal Judaism movement will ask to be allowed to host the ceremonies but the Church of England will resist it, despite the wishes of some liberal clerics, as will the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.

Registrars provided by local councils would still have to conduct civil partnership ceremonies.

No changes to the content of the ceremonies were proposed in the Lords, and in a parliamentary written answer last month, it was made clear that they must remain “entirely secular in nature” and cannot contain “any religious language”.

However, in a Parliamentary written answer provided on Wednesday to Chris Bryant, the ex-Labour minister and former Anglican priest who posed in his underpants on a dating website called Gaydar, it emerged that the Coalition is considering moving further towards legalising full homosexual marriage as it draws up the regulations on how civil partnerships can be held in places of worship.

Mrs Featherstone, a Liberal Democrat, wrote: “An amendment made in the House of Lords to the Equality Act 2010 removed the express prohibition on civil partnership registrations taking place on religious premises.

“In response to this amendment, the Government committed to talking to those with a key interest in the issue of civil partnerships on what the next stage should be for civil partnerships.

“This will include consideration of whether civil partnerships should be allowed to include religious readings, music and symbols.

“This commitment was made through the document, Working for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Equality, published on 16 June 2010.”

She added that this would create a disparity with heterosexual couples who marry in town halls, as “there are currently no plans to allow religious readings, music and symbols during the registration of civil marriages”.

Mr Bryant said he believes the Government will eventually have to allow full homosexual marriage rather than creating the unusual situation under which same-sex couples can have religious language in their civil partnerships, but heterosexuals cannot in civil marriage.

A Church of England spokesman said: “The Church of England is not proposing to open its churches for civil partnership registrations. Any comment we might wish to make on the principles of these apparent proposals would be made through the formal consultation process.”

During the election campaign, the Conservatives were the only main party to suggest that they would consider allowing full homosexual marriage, a move that although contentious would be easier to legislate for than altering existing laws on civil partnership and civil marriage.

Their Contract for Equalities stated: “We will consider the case for changing the law to allow civil partnerships to be called and classified as marriage.”

Peter Tatchell, the veteran gay rights activist who will today join London’s Gay Pride parade with a banner declaring: “Dave and Sam Cameron can marry, gays can’t. End the ban on gay marriage”, said: “Instead of tinkering with the second-class system of civil partnerships, the Government should bring forward legislation to legalise same-sex marriage.”

He said the move to allow religious language in civil partnerships was a “small step forward” but added: “It still comes well short of marriage equality.”

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